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#28621 - 03/23/01 08:34 PM Re: Grand Pianos
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Eric: If I were you, I think I would go for the Boston.

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#28622 - 04/06/01 01:12 PM Re: Grand Pianos
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Well, here's something else to throw in the mix: I've come across an interesting piano called a Bergman. It's beautiful and has a gorgeous tone and stronger bass (I think) than either the Boston or the Yamaha. I've never heard of a Bergman before, outside of Ingrid or Ingmar. ANyone out there know anything about this brand??

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#28623 - 04/06/01 01:42 PM Re: Grand Pianos
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[ April 12, 2001: Message edited by: Jalapeno ]

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#28624 - 04/06/01 02:53 PM Re: Grand Pianos
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Eric,

Bergmann pianos are apparently made and/or distributed by Young Chang. The site is http://www.youngchang.com/yca/berggrand.html

There is very little information about them but TG-150 Baby Grand Piano is 4'11-1/2" while TG-157 Classic Grand Piano is only 5'2".

With "Baby" grands, it's not so much the shorter length but rather the way the soundboard is made. With most "Baby" grands the supports are perpendicular underneath the soundboard rather than radial (which creates better resonance and sound production) as on a standard grand .

A different website ( http://www.hallpiano.com/HALLPIANO/specials.html ) lists a TG-150 with QRS Player Piano Automation System but there is little information.


At http://www.abcpiano.com/new3126.html there is some interesting information regarding Young Chang, Boston & Steinway.


[ April 06, 2001: Message edited by: Rhapsody ]
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#28625 - 04/06/01 10:28 PM Re: Grand Pianos
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Thanks for the info on the Bergmann, Rhaps, and thanks for figuring out it had two N's! I can always count on you! Now that I know it's a product of Young Chang, I think I'll just cross it right off the list. I've heard only bad reports about Young Chang, and it's so easy to be fooled by a nice sound in the showroom....

So it's back to the Boston vs. Yamaha deliberation......plus taxes set me back a bit! \:\( \:\( \:\( So I'm working on PATIENCE, which is still a virtue, I'm told. How virtuous do I have to be before I have my grand????

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#28626 - 04/06/01 11:08 PM Re: Grand Pianos
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Eric: If you can afford it, Boston is probably your BEST choice. I like their tapered soundboards. However, I found the same thing with my Young Chang grand that you found with the Bergman----a BEAUTIFUL tone quality. I have had my Young Chang grand for three years now and have only had to have it tuned (yearly as any piano----yes, I know some have theirs tuned more often) and the pedal fixed from squeaking ONCE. It has NOT squeaked any more. The man who tuned it fixed the squeak. And, it is under warranty for 15 years so having the pedal adjusted cost me nothing. The action is not quite as wonderful as I wish it were--NOT bad or anything--just not as good as Boston or Steinway. However, I have been told by a piano technician that the action can be made better by a little work. Again, the action is NOT bad, just not superb. I could NOT afford a Steinway or Boston. I tried various pianos when I was buying and this Young Chang grand (5'9") sounded the MOST like a Boston of anything I could afford. The BEAUTIFUL tone continues to be just that--BEAUTIFUL!
The Young Chang grand was my BEST choice for TONE QUALITY and action (for that matter) of anything that I could afford.
They are much less expensive than the Boston's. For what I paid for mine, I am DELIGHTED with it! Just my two cents worth about not completely throwing out Young Chang
or other pianos that they might make without checking into it thoroughly. I think Young Chang's are probably a lot better than they used to be. I guess the company has improved over time. Again, if you can afford it, Boston is probably your BEST choice. But, if your pocketbook is like mine was, don't throw out the Bergman or even a Young Chang without checking it out completely.

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#28627 - 04/06/01 11:41 PM Re: Grand Pianos
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P.S. Eric, my Young Chang grand is a G-175.
As we all know every piano has it's own
personality even within the same brand name.

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#28628 - 04/10/01 05:22 AM Re: Grand Pianos
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Everyone has been so supportive and helpful in the past concerning my goal to possess a grand piano. Well, I really need your help now! \:o

I have been dreaming of a grand piano for years and endlessly talking about having one soon to my students. They are all such great kids and they want me to be happy. \:\) We have such great times at lessons and during all of our little musical-appreciation outings in this greatest city of culture, NYC. Contrary to what I posted in another thread, we didn't change our plans about seeing Alfred Brendel at Carnegie Hall last week. But saying otherwise was part of a lavish scheme devised and executed by my students and moiself. The mastermind behind most of the scheme was my 5-year-old genius niece, Cuddly. (Did I mention she was just given a full scholarship to Julliard - their youngest student ever? )

We (my students, Cuddly and moi) arrived at the concert hall and I almost ruined the whole objective by barely being able to control my sheer lust for the stunning beauty of the 9-ft. Steinnway concert grand on the stage. As the concert progressed and I and fell more and more in love with the glorious sound, I screamed out "I must have it now!" Fortunately, this outcry coincided with a thunderous burst of chords and no one noticed my students were physically restraining me from rushing the stage. Our plan could still be carried out successfully if my students kept me in line.

As the concertgoers filed out, the girls and I hid in the Ladies' Room until the hall was empty. With presstissimo and pianissimo movements, we got this magnificent instrument onto the hall's forklift. One of the bigger girls drove the forklift as Cuddly guided it into the alley. It was nearly 2 a.m. by this time and the girls were able to easily direct the traffic. As the forklift drove down the "Sidewalks of New York" to my apartment, I became more and more euphoric. This grand was now mine, all MINE! The trickiest part was getting it up into my apartment but I was able to leave all those little details to the girls who had prepared my domicile for this most treasured of treasures.

Cuddly had planned well. He got a big supply of ear plugs for all my girls so they would be able to sleep through the thunderous tumult that this magnificent instrument poured out for the next 48 hours as I played virtually non-stop. They had all told their parents that they would be staying with friends for the weekend and were not expected back at their homes. However, Cuddly had forgot to mention one necessary detail to both the girls and to moiself. It would be impossible to allow them to rejoin their parents since they were all participants in our crime and may be needed as bargaining chips (hostages) should our guilt become known.

The piano, of course, is not a typical 9-ft. Steinnway (if such a thing exists :rolleyes: ). It is a special Millennium edition with the best soundboard and the most perfect tuning ever built into a piano. The piano company and Carnegie Hall are offering a huge reward for its return and are scouring the city as I type.

I resumed giving the girls individual lessons today and they all played like little angels (especially Cuddly), and our group lesson was the most enjoyable ever as they each took turns playing "Guess That Classical Tune." They all knew every theme I played, many of them they had never heard before - as if by osmosis they were gaining vast amounts of new musical knowledge simply by being in the presence of this grand instrument. Of course, Cuddly didn't play, because it wouldn't be fair to the other students.

As time wears on, my students are beginning to be a little restless. My studio is small and even though Cuddly planned well, she overlooked the need for enough food and clothes for the girls for an extended siege. At this point, we are running low on food and water as well as clean delicates. Plus, the parents are beginning to call and ask if I know where their children are.

I feel I'm in the clear for now with the law, and I don't feel any remorse for virtue lost to obtain my dream piano. But I feel a little guilty that I'm making the girls wear the same outfits over and over again.

So, moi needs your help. Please send moi excuses moi can use with the parents - you have heard so many good ones in the past, you certainly will be able to help moiself. Any clean delicates you can spare for the girls will also be much appreciated. (Moi never wears any - even for pictures. ;\) ) Plus, Cuddly is whining for an Urtext copy of Rach's 3rd since she's getting bored listening to moi. Please, don't desert moi in moi's hour of need.

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#28629 - 04/10/01 05:56 AM Re: Grand Pianos
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I am gasping for air and gaping with glee at the brilliance! Older girls drove the forklift indeed...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
I am drooling in delight!
I am limp with laughter!
I look like a stroke victim (no doubt) over this!


\:D \:D \:D \:D \:D \:D \:D

Lisa, who assumes those clean delicates need to be silks and will get on it right away

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#28630 - 04/10/01 08:59 AM Re: Grand Pianos
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How large is the reward being offered? ;\)

Of course, I'll help. I will get a copy of the music for Cuddly FedExed today, if at all possible.

I am, however, concerned that your neigbors might become suspicious of all the loud piano playing from such a "magnificent instrument." I do hope your studio is relatively soundproof.

I'll check around a little and try to help further.
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